Title: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Michel Weisnor on June 02, 2007, 11:29:48 AM Administrator's note: This thread has been split from this one (https://www.supermanthroughtheages.com/smf/index.php?topic=3557.0).
Potential Spoilers Did anyone get a chance to read Action Comics 850? New Earth Superman's continuity gradually solidifies with every current monthly issue. In AC 850, Supergirl and the Legion peer into the past and view lateral timelines. New Earth's Legion know of the multiverse as we are treated to different era renditions and possibly different Supermans from other earths. First Superman viewed is E-2/GA Superman during his first appearance in 1938. After a few multiversal calibrations, more Superman's are presented, as follows: 1950's? Superman squaring off with Mister Mxyzptlk (with raining popovers!), 1960's Superman saving Lois from Titano (E-1 anyone ;D), John Byrne's Man of Steel, mullet post-death Superman, and Birthright?! Superman. Makes you wonder if they are all from distinct Earths. The 52 list is getting shorter. Finally, New Earth Superman's continuity begins with a pregnant Lara-El in labour as Jor-El prepares for Krypton's Doom. From this point on, the writers decide to give readers glimpses of Superman's new continuity in short segments. Superbaby's first word is followed by young Smallville Clark Kent's powers and sheer kindness/goodness. We learn Jr-High Clark is indeed friends with Lana Lang as well as Lex Luthor. Moving forward, Superman saves a downed aircraft similar to Man of Steel? Other tidbits include his Legion Flight Ring (New Earth Legion's surprised), after high school Clark Kent traveled the world Birthright?, Superman was a founding member of the Justice League of America (Justice League Together!), Lois and Clark's inability to have kids, a Superman Returns shot, and recent Superman/Batman Supergirl continuity. Future storylines are previewed: Brainiacs Attack, Supergirl reunited with her parents, and what appears to be New Krypton or Kandor? Check it out. Also if you get a chance, read the Lightning Saga running in Justice League and Society of America issues. New Earth Superman was definitely a member of the SA/BA Legion. Mmmm, I wonder.... Title: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: carmine on June 02, 2007, 05:45:48 PM ya that last issue of Action was real fun. and I am really digging this new artist for superman(his name escapes me right now)
Nice to see Superman Brooding instead of whining (for a change) Title: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: carmelo on June 02, 2007, 09:11:08 PM more Superman's are presented, as follows: 1950's? Superman squaring off with Mister Mxyzptlk (with raining popovers!), 1960's Superman saving Lois from Titano (E-1 anyone ;D), :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) (http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7753/champagnevm1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)Title: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: carmelo on June 02, 2007, 09:36:04 PM So EVERYversion of Superman have his Earth! And seems that the version of 90s is out of continuity! WOW!!!
Title: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: NotSuper on June 03, 2007, 12:15:00 AM Kara's reaction to the super-mullet was great. "That hair...no!" ;D
Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: King Krypton on June 03, 2007, 02:33:08 PM So EVERYversion of Superman have his Earth! And seems that the version of 90s is out of continuity! WOW!!! Yeah, and best part of all? Now there's no limits to the kinds of Superman stories you can write. EVERY incarnation of Superman is now fair game. Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Super Monkey on June 03, 2007, 03:04:15 PM Check this out from the Superman Homepage:
The Superman Homepage "QfK" forum is now in session! Writer Kurt Busiek joins the Superman Homepage to answer your questions about the latest Superman related comic book he's written. Visit the QfK page now to submit your questions about "Action Comics #850". http://www.supermanhomepage.com/inter-action/inter-action.php?topic=QfK/QfK Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: carmelo on June 03, 2007, 04:41:52 PM Why the new Jor El have is bearded ? ??? ??? :-\
Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Permanus on June 03, 2007, 05:01:42 PM Check this out from the Superman Homepage: The Superman Homepage "QfK" forum is now in session! Writer Kurt Busiek joins the Superman Homepage to answer your questions about the latest Superman related comic book he's written. Visit the QfK page now to submit your questions about "Action Comics #850". http://www.supermanhomepage.com/inter-action/inter-action.php?topic=QfK/QfK Huh, so we're not good enough any more, he has to go to another website? Well, fudge. Apart from that, I'd like to echo Carmelo's question about why Jor-El now has a beard. Does the Jor-El in Smallville (the TV series) have one? Is that it? Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: NotSuper on June 03, 2007, 06:47:15 PM Check this out from the Superman Homepage: Huh, so we're not good enough any more, he has to go to another website? Well, fudge. The Superman Homepage "QfK" forum is now in session! Writer Kurt Busiek joins the Superman Homepage to answer your questions about the latest Superman related comic book he's written. Visit the QfK page now to submit your questions about "Action Comics #850". http://www.supermanhomepage.com/inter-action/inter-action.php?topic=QfK/QfK Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Avilos on June 03, 2007, 07:20:31 PM I suspect one of the big reason for Jor-El having a beard is legal reasons. The first place we saw this new Jor_El was as a large giant holographic head in the Fortress. The beard prevents any claims by Marlon Brando's Estate of infringing on his likeness. I think DC is playing it safe. Geoff Johns confirmed this in a interview. Of course how to deal with this was up to artist choice.
It really is a fine line though. Does a white haired man automatically look like Brando as Jor-El? Depends on how specific the artist is in facial features. So many artists today are not good at specific faces. How about just giving him the traditional black hair? Or head band? Personally this bearded look has grown on me. One thing I would have done differently would have been to leave out the mustache. Just the beard alone like Lincoln had. It would also echo the cowled look from Man of Steel and Birthright. Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Super Monkey on June 03, 2007, 07:27:11 PM he posted here not so long ago.
He seems busy these days :) Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Michel Weisnor on June 03, 2007, 07:43:24 PM I just got a few picks from 850. What do you guys think?
http://romney.homestead.com/files/E2.JPG (http://romney.homestead.com/files/E2.JPG) http://romney.homestead.com/files/E1.JPG (http://romney.homestead.com/files/E1.JPG) I really dig the transition page with the modern renditions of Superman. The Big S has come along way since 1986. ;D Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Great Rao on June 03, 2007, 10:17:00 PM "The multiversal stabilizer overcompensated for vibro-chronal flux" - I'll have to remember that one next time I'm late for an appointment. What do you guys think? Looks good. I'm glad the Birthright Superman is in there. I'd love to see tales or titles about some of these versions of Superman in addition to the single panel cameos. Maybe down the road they could all team-up in a big crossover event called Infinite Supermen. Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Kurt Busiek on June 04, 2007, 01:21:36 PM I suspect one of the big reason for Jor-El having a beard is legal reasons. The reason for the beard is because Adam designed him with a beard, Dan Didio told him to lose the beard, and Geoff and I went to bat for the beard because we think it looks good. That's all it is. More often than not, a creative choice is a creative choice, not a piece of legal maneuvering. kdb Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Kurt Busiek on June 04, 2007, 01:23:05 PM Check this out from the Superman Homepage: Huh, so we're not good enough any more, he has to go to another website? Well, fudge. The Superman Homepage "QfK" forum is now in session! Writer Kurt Busiek joins the Superman Homepage to answer your questions about the latest Superman related comic book he's written. Visit the QfK page now to submit your questions about "Action Comics #850". http://www.supermanhomepage.com/inter-action/inter-action.php?topic=QfK/QfK And you guys haven't asked any questions in a long time, and rarely discuss the new books. So I skim the board, but there's not much to respond to. kdb Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Great Rao on June 04, 2007, 02:38:48 PM The reason for the beard is because Adam designed him with a beard, Dan Didio told him to lose the beard, and Geoff and I went to bat for the beard because we think it looks good. I was very happy when I first saw the beard. It looks great and it works very well for the character. This was a really good move, many thanks to you, Geoff, and Adam. Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Permanus on June 04, 2007, 04:59:43 PM And thank you on behalf of beards everywhere. Not that anyone's interested, but I spend about half the year with a beard, and the other half without, so I have some personal involvement here. You know what would be a cool plotline? What if Jor-El's beard actually turned out to be Streaky the Supercat hanging on to his jaw?
Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Avilos on June 04, 2007, 05:07:46 PM I suspect one of the big reason for Jor-El having a beard is legal reasons. The reason for the beard is because Adam designed him with a beard, Dan Didio told him to lose the beard, and Geoff and I went to bat for the beard because we think it looks good. That's all it is. More often than not, a creative choice is a creative choice, not a piece of legal maneuvering. kdb In a Newsarama interview, Geoff Johns recounted that when they were first developing ideas for Action, Richard Donner asked if Jor-El could look like Brando. Geoff told him no. I guess I inferred to much from that. Sorry about that. Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: MatterEaterLad on June 04, 2007, 05:11:36 PM And thank you on behalf of beards everywhere. Not that anyone's interested, but I spend about half the year with a beard, and the other half without, so I have some personal involvement here. You know what would be a cool plotline? What if Jor-El's beard actually turned out to be Streaky the Supercat hanging on to his jaw? Good combination of the old stuff with the new stuff... 8)Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Klar Ken T5477 on June 05, 2007, 12:27:18 AM And thank you on behalf of beards everywhere. Not that anyone's interested, but I spend about half the year with a beard, and the other half without, so I have some personal involvement here. You know what would be a cool plotline? What if Jor-El's beard actually turned out to be Streaky the Supercat hanging on to his jaw? Good combination of the old stuff with the new stuff... 8)This borders on the truly bizarre -- 100% Weising-era approved! Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: NotSuper on June 05, 2007, 06:58:31 AM Check this out from the Superman Homepage: Huh, so we're not good enough any more, he has to go to another website? Well, fudge. The Superman Homepage "QfK" forum is now in session! Writer Kurt Busiek joins the Superman Homepage to answer your questions about the latest Superman related comic book he's written. Visit the QfK page now to submit your questions about "Action Comics #850". http://www.supermanhomepage.com/inter-action/inter-action.php?topic=QfK/QfK And you guys haven't asked any questions in a long time, and rarely discuss the new books. So I skim the board, but there's not much to respond to. Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Super Monkey on June 05, 2007, 07:21:37 PM I suspect one of the big reason for Jor-El having a beard is legal reasons. The reason for the beard is because Adam designed him with a beard, Dan Didio told him to lose the beard, and Geoff and I went to bat for the beard because we think it looks good. That's all it is. More often than not, a creative choice is a creative choice, not a piece of legal maneuvering. kdb Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. - Sigmund Freud Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Permanus on June 05, 2007, 07:27:24 PM And thank you on behalf of beards everywhere. Not that anyone's interested, but I spend about half the year with a beard, and the other half without, so I have some personal involvement here. You know what would be a cool plotline? What if Jor-El's beard actually turned out to be Streaky the Supercat hanging on to his jaw? Good combination of the old stuff with the new stuff... 8)This borders on the truly bizarre -- 100% Weising-era approved! Not a hoax! Not an imaginary story! In this issue: "The SUPER-SECRET of Jor-El's BEARD!" Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Kurt Busiek on June 06, 2007, 03:13:50 AM Check this out from the Superman Homepage: The Superman Homepage "QfK" forum is now in session! Writer Kurt Busiek joins the Superman Homepage to answer your questions about the latest Superman related comic book he's written. Visit the QfK page now to submit your questions about "Action Comics #850". http://www.supermanhomepage.com/inter-action/inter-action.php?topic=QfK/QfK And if anyone's interested, the answers to those questions are now up at that selfsame link: http://www.supermanhomepage.com/inter-action/inter-action.php?topic=QfK/QfK kdb Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Michel Weisnor on June 06, 2007, 07:11:16 AM Check this out from the Superman Homepage: The Superman Homepage "QfK" forum is now in session! Writer Kurt Busiek joins the Superman Homepage to answer your questions about the latest Superman related comic book he's written. Visit the QfK page now to submit your questions about "Action Comics #850". http://www.supermanhomepage.com/inter-action/inter-action.php?topic=QfK/QfK And if anyone's interested, the answers to those questions are now up at that selfsame link: http://www.supermanhomepage.com/inter-action/inter-action.php?topic=QfK/QfK kdb Cool beans, this is a very exciting time. Thanks! ;D Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: NotSuper on June 07, 2007, 06:27:44 AM Personally, I like the beard. I've always believed that Jor-El should have distinguising features that set him apart from his son. At times he's been drawn TOO similar to Kal, only with Kryptonian clothing.
I'm also glad that Lex's Smallville history is a part of New Earth (it was also hinted at in 52 when Lex talks about "a boy from Smallville becoming president of the United States"). I can't wait to read his new backstory. I really enjoyed Mark Waid's version of the infamous lab accident, so I hope some of the elements of it are kept. Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Uncle Mxy on June 07, 2007, 11:57:06 PM Why the new Jor El have is bearded ? ??? ??? :-\ To hide Brando's double chin. But really we all know that Richard Branson won the bidding war for licensing rights to the new Jor-El.Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Criadoman on June 08, 2007, 12:49:19 AM Well Kurt, all I have to say is Thank You sooo much for the work you do with our kid from Krypton! I really mean that.
Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: NotSuper on June 09, 2007, 09:56:10 PM I'm hoping the new Luthor miniseries delves into his history.
Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Uncle Mxy on June 16, 2007, 09:35:36 PM Well Kurt, all I have to say is Thank You sooo much for the work you do with our kid from Krypton! I really mean that. Ditto. I'm looking forward to more with The Auctioneer, in particular. Title: Re: Action Comics 850 (spoilers) Post by: Superman of America on June 17, 2007, 12:33:01 AM Kurt, you were born to write for Superman. I hopped on your arc a bit late but making Arion, Lord of Atlantis, a foil & quasi-bad guy for Supes is excellent. I had to look over a few of my back issues to see how much Arion has manipulated certain people from the planet Krypton(ahem..Powergirl). I can't wait to discover what's his true agenda. Keep up the good work!
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